this from eastern europe and the soviet union. nobody, except maniacs, ever suggest that a military attack against any communist country. we did not even have rollback. when communism fell, it became perfectly clear that our support under various presidents, carter through reagan, sustained the opposition, sustained the dissidents and the people who then became the rulers of the states. i know there are enormous differences. but the idea that we cannot affect the outcome in any way but a negative one, and that we will never be in possession of knowledge sufficient for us to act meaningfully to bring about an outcome that would be and our interests and conform with our values, these two assumptions seem false to me. >> josh? >> the notion that we are going to find the democrats in syria and put them into power is a false notion. we have tried.